Comments on: Will power prices ever support new nuclear build? https://energytransition.org/2017/01/will-power-prices-ever-support-new-nuclear-build/ The Global Energiewende Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:02:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.1 By: Timothy P. Stuart https://energytransition.org/2017/01/will-power-prices-ever-support-new-nuclear-build/#comment-5141 Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:17:16 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=13816#comment-5141 The main point is that renewables are contributing almost nothing to curb CO2 emissions; on the contrary, biomass and hydro dams emit huge quantities of greenhouse gases, and solar and wind have strong dependence on fossil fuels to keep production of electricity when sun is not shinning or wind is not blowing or during prolonged droughts because cost-effective batteries/energy storage does not exist and is ever from reality. Aside that renewables ruin natural landscapes, disturb wildlife’s habitats, and slaughter millions of birds, bats and other endangered species.
Renewables have not proven yet(maybe never) be able to reduce meaningfully carbon emissions, e.g. Germany, while carbon-free nuclear power has proven to be the fastest way to deeply decarbonize modern grids, e.g. France and Sweden.
If Global Warming is really a serious concern, then carbon-free nuclear is necessary for the power mix because it is “worth the price” as the only viable path to curb emission of greenhouse gases.

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By: kitemansa https://energytransition.org/2017/01/will-power-prices-ever-support-new-nuclear-build/#comment-5140 Wed, 25 Jan 2017 15:25:33 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=13816#comment-5140 In reply to Dr. Josef Pesch.

“… Completely inflexible.”
Only because it is currently designed to be that way. Until the amount of nuclear exceeds the baseload, there is no real need for “flexibility” unless irrationally forced to coexist with an unREliable source.

Since the unREliables add NOTHING to the grid that nuclear can’t and at much lower prices, requiring nuclear to “supplement the volitility of REnewable” is an assinine goal. Remove the redundant, unRElible sources and be happy with the affordable, clean, safe*, very low carbon energy from nuclear power.

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By: James Wimberley https://energytransition.org/2017/01/will-power-prices-ever-support-new-nuclear-build/#comment-5114 Wed, 18 Jan 2017 13:58:44 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=13816#comment-5114 In reply to Nathanael.

Seconded. 25 years is the lifetime conventionally used by investors with a fairly high cost of capital. If you discount at over 5%, it makes little difference to the NPV if you use 35 or 25 years. The former is a far more credible horizon for solar – the output keeps declining slowly, but until the encapsulation fails, you have free electricity from a fully paid-off system. Where space is constrained (rooftops), some users may replace earlier to get higher efficiency at output, but they they are unlikely to be many. The true lifetime of wind turbines is harder to judge. Many early turbines were replaced early, because they were unreliable or built on low towers. These problems are much less likely to affect recent installations. There is likely be a business in conservative refits, upgrading the generator train and electronics, on existing towers. Blades will be replaced when they fail.

I miss a discussion of PPAs. One thing fossil fuels cannot offer, and renewables can, is 25-year fixed-price power supply contracts. These prices are just as real as spot ones. In a deregulated electricity market, a fair number of large consumers will like the certainty.

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By: Nathanael https://energytransition.org/2017/01/will-power-prices-ever-support-new-nuclear-build/#comment-5099 Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:49:52 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=13816#comment-5099 The kicker, which Jan has missed, is that the technical lifetime of solar photovoltaic panels appears to typically be over 40 years, maybe 50 years. If all you have to do is replace the inverters and wiring… well, it become very cheap to life-extend a solar system from 25 years to 50 years.

Underlying power demand is flat. Electronics are getting more efficient, homes are getting insulated, etc.

Power demand decrease from LEDs is roughly equal to power demand increase from electric cars (if all cars and trucks become electric).

Power demand increase from switching heating to electric is much harder to calculate, but it’s not that large — *maximum* 30% increase, I think.

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By: heinbloed https://energytransition.org/2017/01/will-power-prices-ever-support-new-nuclear-build/#comment-5097 Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:27:54 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=13816#comment-5097 @ henningflessner:

The power demand of Germany is decreasing since 2011

http://www.ag-energiebilanzen.de/4-1-Home.html

(see “Strommix”)

Slight increases are followed by decreases, the trend is clear.

As far as I know the situation is the same most over Europe.

You have asked ‘why’: well, there is no eternal growth.

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By: henningflessner https://energytransition.org/2017/01/will-power-prices-ever-support-new-nuclear-build/#comment-5092 Wed, 11 Jan 2017 23:39:05 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=13816#comment-5092 Why should the power demand decrease? That’s totally unrealistic. Greenpeace expects an increase by a factor of two, others talk about a factor of 5. Where should all the electricity for the electric cars and the heat pumps come from. It seems that the writer has no idea of the German Energiewende.

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By: Dr. Josef Pesch https://energytransition.org/2017/01/will-power-prices-ever-support-new-nuclear-build/#comment-5090 Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:20:08 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=13816#comment-5090 “Is there anybody out there who can tell me why anyone wants new nuclear power plants to be constructed?” I asked some time ago.

Thanks for you comments.

In other words, the answer is: No, there is no-one!
New nuclear plants are not about electricity, but about a completely different kind of power.

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By: Edmund Wood https://energytransition.org/2017/01/will-power-prices-ever-support-new-nuclear-build/#comment-5083 Sat, 07 Jan 2017 10:16:01 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=13816#comment-5083 This model for the future energy mix in Germany is really out of date because it doesn’t incorporate any form of energy storage such as battery, power-to-gas, or power-to-heat. These are already entering the energy market rapidly and will be big players in the future. Talking about what will happen at times of low wind or sunshine without taking energy storage into account is a waste of time and column inches.

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By: heinbloed https://energytransition.org/2017/01/will-power-prices-ever-support-new-nuclear-build/#comment-5081 Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:50:17 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=13816#comment-5081 @ Dr. Josef Pesch re. “Is there anybody out there who can tell me why anyone wants new nuclear power plants to be constructed?”

Areva can:

http://www.usinenouvelle.com/article/areva-dans-l-eolien-c-est-fini.N484209

” Dans le même temps, Areva s’est également séparé d’Areva TA, spécialisé dans la conception des chaudières nucléaires pour les sous-marins et les porte-avions, que l’Etat a souhaité nationaliser pour la sanctuariser.”

Everything is closed, sold and outsourced except for atomic arms,the only profitable part of the company.

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By: Joan https://energytransition.org/2017/01/will-power-prices-ever-support-new-nuclear-build/#comment-5079 Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:36:30 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=13816#comment-5079 “Is there anybody out there who can tell me why anyone wants new nuclear power plants to be constructed?”
If you got military uses for nuclear (ships, u-boats, nuclear warheads, etc..) you need a civil backdrop to pull resources from (engineers, research, etc.).
That’s also why Hinkley C is pushed.
If we hadn’t had egomaniacs at the helms everywhere we wouldn’t need that stuff and no sane public would be willing to pay for it.

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