Comments on: Gas wars part one: let’s be honest about Germany’s growing dependence on fossil gas https://energytransition.org/2019/03/gas-wars-part-one-lets-be-honest-about-germanys-growing-dependence-on-fossil-gas/ The Global Energiewende Thu, 26 Nov 2020 07:04:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.1 By: Rod Adams https://energytransition.org/2019/03/gas-wars-part-one-lets-be-honest-about-germanys-growing-dependence-on-fossil-gas/#comment-48167 Thu, 26 Nov 2020 07:04:39 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=19358#comment-48167 Michael

Have you discovered any indications of a long-term, strategic effort by gas interests to capture markets from all other sources of power and heat?

Was the messaging that produced the original decision to exit nuclear, for example, strongly supported by gas interest groups?

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By: Jarmo https://energytransition.org/2019/03/gas-wars-part-one-lets-be-honest-about-germanys-growing-dependence-on-fossil-gas/#comment-12619 Tue, 16 Apr 2019 06:09:16 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=19358#comment-12619 My take is that when you take nuclear out of the equation, fossil fuels and renewables are the only options left. When the sun doesn’t shine and wind doesn’t blow….gas plants are an ideal renewables backup.

Germany also heats and cooks with gas so the problem is quite complex.

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By: James Wimberley https://energytransition.org/2019/03/gas-wars-part-one-lets-be-honest-about-germanys-growing-dependence-on-fossil-gas/#comment-11853 Wed, 20 Mar 2019 11:24:47 +0000 https://energytransition.org/?p=19358#comment-11853 Agreed that the battle now shifts from the coal phaseout – a done deal in much of the world – to the tougher foe of gas. I find Michael’s alarmist take rather unbalanced and reflects the hopes of the gas industry while neglecting those of its renewable rivals.

Production and transmission costs put a floor on gas prices; there is no parallel floor for wind and solar. In the USA, with gas prices more or less at the floor, wind, solar and storage are starting to cut into the market for gas peaker generators (cheap straight-through turbines that run at most 10% of the time) and have the bigger, more efficient and more expensive baseload combined-cycle plants in their sights. Add to that the indications that fracked US gas is an unsustainable giant bubble/scam, and has never been profitable overall (see deSmog Blog for details).

In Germany, gas has to contend with the EEG’s feed-in right for householders and EU competition law, which together create a pretty robust guarantee of competition in electricity supply – and take control away from the government. The PPA boom will grow, as more consumer-facing companies do the sums and find that a green energy supply does not cost their shareholders anything and is increasingly valuable for reputation. City mayors are likewise finding that green energy policies impose few financial or political costs, until it comes to restricting ICE vehicles (which has no impact on gas). So heating will switch from gas to heat pumps.

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